Smart Giving for a Cognitively Saturated World: Nick Fitz and Ari Kagan

PodcastOctober 29, 2020
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We see lots of people asking “Where can my money do good? Where can I actually help?” One of the things that we’ve spent a lot of time thinking about at Momentum was actually helping people understand which organizations are doing great work … and so, we’re trying to help people actually sort through the [choice overload], since there are so many different options. And I think that applies not just to giving but to all of the ways you can engage, whether it’s volunteering, whether it’s posting on social media, or whether it’s calling people to get out the vote. There are so many different options, and I wonder whether maybe a sense of powerlessness comes from the lack of clarity around what you should do. “What is my responsibility? What is enough? What is going to work?”

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Intro

In this episode of The Decision Corner, we discuss giving, incentives, and the ethics of behavioral science with Ari Kagan and Nick Fitz, the co-founders and executives at Momentum. Momentum is a charity that ties donations to everyday choices. For example, every time Donald Trump tweets, the app will have you automatically donate 10 cents to civil rights and racial justice groups. Nick and Ari have extensive research experience in behavioral science. They both held senior positions at the Center for Advanced Hindsight at Duke University before starting up their donation company.

Topics mentioned in this episode include:

  • How to make our daily activities contribute to making the world the kind of place we want it to be
  • The consequences of evolutionary change on our cognitive system, especially with respect to social connection and meaning-making
  • The feeling of power versus the real thing, and what that has to do with choice overload bias
  • Utilitarianism and the role of fairness in donation decision-making
  • Samantha, Baby Jessica, and the problems of personalized donations
  • Stalin’s insight on donation psychology
  • The twin problems of paternalism and finding the right decision-makers

About the Guests

Nick Fitz

Nick Fitz

Nick studied philosophy and policy at Grinnell College and has a Master’s in psychology and society from the University of British Columbia. His work has been featured in outlets like The Washington Post and Vox and his research is published in journals like Nature and Computers in Human Behavior. Recently Nick was a senior behavioral researcher at Duke’s Center for Advanced Hindsight. Nick enjoys porches, funk music, and thoughtful conversations.

Ari Kagan

Ari Kagan

Ari studied the cognitive science of decision making at Yale University. He went on to research behavioral science with Dan Ariely at Duke’s Center for Advanced Hindsight. At CAH he ran a research program on donation psychology, helped run research for the lab’s startup accelerator, and studied financial decision making for low income populations. Ari enjoys jamming on violin, rock climbing, popping bubble wrap, (unclosed parentheses, and improv.

About the Interviewer

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Dr. Brooke Struck

Dr. Brooke Struck is the Research Director at The Decision Lab. He is an internationally recognized voice in applied behavioural science, representing TDL’s work in outlets such as Forbes, Vox, Huffington Post and Bloomberg, as well as Canadian venues such as the Globe & Mail, CBC and Global Media. Dr. Struck hosts TDL’s podcast “The Decision Corner” and speaks regularly to practicing professionals in industries from finance to health & wellbeing to tech & AI.

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