Confronting our (Un)conscious Bias with Dr Lasana Harris

PodcastAugust 02, 2021
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If you’re engaged in any kind of de-biasing work within your institution or your company, data is crucial. You have to be able to detect where the biases are being manifested, because that allows you to put structural rail guards to prevent people’s natural tendencies from resulting in behavior that is discriminatory.

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Intro

UCL Professor of Behavioral Science Dr Lasana Harris joins Brooke for this episode of the podcast. In a fascinating discussion that questions the ‘unconscious’ nature of what most psychologists would refer to as unconscious bias, Dr. Harris draws from research in the fields of neuroscience and social psychology to help explain why human beings experience bias, how it manifests in our behaviour, and what we can do to overcome it, beyond ‘box-checking’ debias training.

Some of the things discussed include…

  • The neuroscience behind the origins of our bias. Hint: it relates to our natural ‘fight or flight’ response.
  • Why we are often aware of our own bias, but tend to attribute it to the wrong factors.
  • Debiasing – why most bias trainings provided by organisations are done to fulfill legal obligations or improve corporate image, and how they can be improved.
  • Embracing our individual responsibility to educate ourselves around bias while acknowledging that systemic change is required to address the environmental factors that fuel it.
  • The ‘statue debate’ and whether cancel culture is erasing potential lessons from the past, or a sign of progress in the direction of a more inclusive society.

About the Guest

Lasana Harris

Lasana Harris

Dr Lasana Harris is a neuroscientist, experimental psychologist and Professor of Behavioral Science at University College London. 

His research uses a social neuroscience approach to explore the neural correlates of person perception, prejudice, dehumanization, anthropomorphism, social learning, social emotions, empathy, and punishment. Some of the questions he explores include: How do we see people as less than human, and non human objects as human beings? How do we modulate affective responses to people? How do we decide right from wrong? By combining social psychology, affective and cognitive neuroscience with philosophy of mind, developmental psychology, evolutionary anthropology, economics, law and policy, Dr Harris’s research focus is a comprehensive strategy to explore human behavior.

In 2017 Dr. Harris published the ‘Invisible Mind’ - an interdisciplinary view of the evolution and consequences of flexible social cognition. He holds a Bachelor of Science from Howard University as well as an MA and a Ph.D from Princeton.

About the Interviewer

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Dr. Brooke Struck

Dr. Brooke Struck is the Research Director at The Decision Lab. He is an internationally recognized voice in applied behavioural science, representing TDL’s work in outlets such as Forbes, Vox, Huffington Post and Bloomberg, as well as Canadian venues such as the Globe & Mail, CBC and Global Media. Dr. Struck hosts TDL’s podcast “The Decision Corner” and speaks regularly to practicing professionals in industries from finance to health & wellbeing to tech & AI.

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